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HomeMy WebLinkAbout04012004 BSC Agenda Item 2 • • City of West University Place A Neighborhood City 0 Recycled Paper Building & Standards Commission /� 3826 Amherst Street, Public Works Conference Room 4 Workshop Committee lit:, Meeting Minutes February 10th, 2004 MEMBERS PRESENT: Bryant Slimp,John Ayres,and Kevin McMahon. MEMBERS ABSENT: David Flame, Dr. Peter Benjamin,J. Denny Powers,Darryl Friday, Brian Hoogendam, Muddy McDaniel and Kevin McMahon. COUNCIL LIASION: (None) STAFF PRESENT: Annette Arriaga, Dennis Mack,Jim Dougherty,(City Attorney) GUESTS: Les Albin [Call to Order.] With members present Bryant Slimp called the meeting to order at 6:15 p.m. 1. Workshop Committee. Dennis Mack asked the committee, what steps he needed to go through in order to ban post tension slabs? If post tension slab are banned, the City will have to make sure that certain procedures are followed and that the City complies with all of the current State Laws. The City Attorney, Jim Dougherty asked if the City of Bellaire had any references as far as materials on post tension slabs? Jim Dougherty stated that City Council would prefer to see material for wanting to ban post tension slabs. Dennis Mack stated that he would get with Joe Edwards, with Edwards Consulting, and see if he had any reference materials pertaining to failure rates and analysis. He also mentioned post tension slabs have been banned in the City of Bellaire for a long time. Jim Dougherty stated he would like for BSC to make sure that they are acting reasonably and not rationally. There may be trade groups, for example, that would in fact, challenge the local ordinances. John Ayres asked if the City could run a report of the list of homes in West University Place that used post tension slabs?Dennis Mack stated there is no way to run a report of that type. Dennis Mack added that he doesn't think that there had been a lot of post tension slabs used in the City of West University Place. Dennis Mack stated that if the foundation requirements change then we should make this across the board for both remodeling and new construction. John Ayres referring to the Foundation Draft stated that under No.# 3, Section b.) Based on a soils report from a recognized and reputable firm or agency (Exception: no soils report is required for a single story accessory building with less than 150 sq. ft. of gross floor area)-; and - - -. . . - . - - . --- - ' • -•, -- - • - - -- - _ . John Ayres stated, reputable firm or agency,needs to be more specific. Les Albin stated that standards should be set for soils test. The City of West University does not have current standards for soils tests. Set a minimun pad thickness of 4 foot. Les Albin stated that a minimum standard should be set on select fill and soil conditions to 18"to 48", depending on the PI soils. It should be 50" or more, but you should have at least 48". Require testing and have it certified by the soils lab. Dennis Mack stated that the city could require an authorized or qualified delegate who would be directly under the supervision of the engineer or design engineer be a there during the observation of the entire pour. The city could require the P.E to be on site at all times. Dennis Mack stated the P.E could personally do it or hire some one to do it.As long as they have first hand knowledge of it. 3800 University Boulevard • West University Place, Texas 77005-2899 • 713.668.4441 • www.westu.org Building and Standards CIission Minutes February 10th,2004 Page2of2 Dennis Mack stated that a document could be drafted up. He also stated, the city inspectors could allow a one-hour window for inspections. Dennis Mack will need to get more information and as much material as possible and make a checklist in draft form BSC. So,that Dennis Mack can expand on that sentence, under prefix b. b.) Based on a soils report from a recognized and reputable firm or agency(Exception: no soils and inspected by an RPE who certifies proper construction, before work proceeds further. At the completion of all the requirements of the plans and specifications, the engineer of record shall certify by letter to the city, (which may be made be based on observation reports by a qualified delegate)the construction of the foundation and structural framing was: Bryant Slimp stated that a checklist should be generated and the city should require a signature certifying the list. Bryant Slimp requested draft forms for soils reports and analysis, disclosure of risks and a certification that the city will provide. Bryant Slimp referenced the material from the State of Practice of Geotechnical Engineering for Design of Custom Homes in the Houston Area Between 1990 and 2001 By David A. Eastwood, P.E., Frank Ong, P.E., Presented at Foundation Performance Association Meeting on June 20,2001.Bryant Slimp asked for BSC to reference the definitions and the examples of the requirements for drilled footings and soil variability etc; Bryant also referenced material from Recommended Practice For Geo-Technical Exploration and Reports By The Structural Committee of The Foundation Performance Association. Bryant Slimp asked for BSC to look through the handouts and get ideas for examples of requirements. Dennis Mack will work with BSC on the draft requirements as soon as possible. Jim Dougherty stated he would do some legal research on what we can require from the P.E and get back to BSC. Bryant Slimp stated that foundations would be put back on next month's agenda. [Adjournment.] Bryant Slimp motioned first to adjourn. Meeting adjourned at 8:00 p.m. PASSED THIS DAY OF , 2004. Bryant S limp, Chairman ATTEST: Ms. Annette R.Arriaga Development Services Secretary Cit; of West. Uiiiversity• Place A Neighborhood City .� Recycled Paper Building & Standards Commission 3826 Amherst Street, Public Works Conference Room �u Workshop Committee Meeting Minutes March 2nd, 2004 MEMBERS PRESENT: Brian Hoogendam, Bryant Slimp, David Flame, John Ayres, and Kevin McMahon. MEMBERS ABSENT: Dr. Peter Benjamin, Darryl Friday, J. Denny Powers and Muddy McDaniel. COUNCIL LIASION: (None) STAFF PRESENT: Annette Arriaga and Dennis Mack. [Call to Order.] With members present Bryant Slimp called the meeting to order at 6:01 p.m. Workshop Committee. Dennis Mack gave BSC a graph of the comparison of homes built prior to 1992 and for homes built from 1992 to the present. The graft showed the average number of new homes being built verses remodeling that was taken place in the West University area. Brain Hoogendam updated BSC on his conversations with Sunny McKinnon, who is with West University's Historical Society. She provided him with helpful information and gave him a book about West University's History. Brian Hoogendam asked BSC to define the goals for Old Stock Housing and to think about what are the objectives. David Flame asked what are we trying to accomplish? David spoke to Mike Farley briefly and said that Mike Farley indicated that his objective is to develop a City Policy that promotes, protects, enhances and perpetuates Old Stock Houses within the City of West University Place. The issues: ❑ Entry Housing To provide a more diversified and demographic approach. ❑ Diversity Style in construction. ❑ Density Size of houses and the coverage of lots. Brian Hoogendam asked BSC to refocus and to think about our goals in light of the refined objective by considering data on the appraised value, the year the house was built or the lot size. Dennis stated that the cheapest lots in West University Place are selling for between $125-150K. John Ayres noted that it is very hard to find a house selling for less than $300K in West University. He stated that he notices young doctors looking for homes in the $350K to $400K-price range. John Ayres added if there was a way to impact the city taxes placed on Old Stock Houses?Dennis Mack stated that homeowners who want to remodel need an incentive to keep the house the way it is. One way would be tax abatement. Brian Hoogendam stated that he had purchased an older home that was built in 1948. But, he could not consider it an older home because the house had been updated. Brian Hoogendam again asked BSC to refocus and consider, what is our goal? Old Stock Housing as defined by the committee includes: 3800 University Boulevard • West University Place, Texas 77005-2899 • 713.668.4441 • www.westu.org t •Building and Standards�nission Work Shop Minutes March 2nd,2004 Page 2 of 2 Area Value/Criteria Reasoning Appraised Value of Less than$80,000 Improvements that have a lower appraised improvement (not land) value are typically the older homes that — per HCAD of the have not had additions or been remodeled property Year Built—Per HCAD Earlier than 1960 Age can define the style and condition of the house Footprint of the House Cannot be greater than 2 If a house has had extensive remodeling X the original size then it cannot be considered old stock Brian Hoogendam asked about other potential areas of relief for owners of old stock houses. The committee game up with other possible solutions for example, ❑ Potential Tax Freezes-Renovated verses being demolished ❑ Potential Fee Increase- 1. For demolition contractors. 2. For sewer permits ❑ More leeway for homeowners wishing to remodel older homes. 1. Example, 20 foot set back on back property line (currently applies to primary structures, not garages. Houses can currently go up, but not back. 2. Windows-Old houses may have old windows and might not pass the current energy compliance requirements. Can the City give some exception to this? Bryant Slimp stated that the committee is coming up with a lot of great ideas and the next step is for the committee to: ❑ Agree on goals and objectives. ❑ Agree on the criteria. ❑ Decide on recommendations that the committee will be making to City Council. David Flame will contact Michael Saegert at the Harris County Appraisal District to discuss the concept about the possible freeze of appraisals on Old Stock Houses. David will ask that if the intent is to preserve older homes, what might Harris County have to add to the preservation of Old Stock Housing? [Adjournment.] Bryant Slimp motioned first to adjourn. Meeting adjourned at 8:00 p.m. PASSED THIS DAY OF ,2004. Bryant Slimp, Chairman ATTEST: Ms.Annette R. Arriaga Development Services Secretary • City of West UUniversity Place A NeighborDun g & Standards Commission 4J Recycled Paper OipAid Municipal Building,Bill Watson Conference Room 3800 University Boulevard Meeting Minutes March 4th,2004 MEMBERS PRESENT: Bryant Slimp, David Flame (Arrived at 6:22 p.m.) John Ayres, Dr. Peter Benjamin,J. Denis Powers,Darryl Friday, Brian Hoogendam, Muddy McDaniel. MEMBERS ABSENT: Kevin McMahon. COUNCIL LIASION: Mike Woods,Mike Farley. STAFF PRESENT: Annette Arriaga, Dennis Mack and Ron Wicker. [Call to Order.] With a quorum,present Bryant Slimp called the meeting to order at 6:04 p.m. 1. Notices, Rules, Etc. Bryant Slimp stated that the BSC voting alternate would be Brian Hoogendam. 2. Meeting Minutes. Dr. Peter Benjamin made a motion first to approve meeting minutes from the February 5, 2004 BSC meeting. Brian Hoogendam seconds the motion. AYES: Bryant Slimp, David Flame, John Ayres, Dr. Peter Benjamin, J. Denis Powers and Brian Hoogendam. NOES: None. ABSTAIN: Motion passed. Minutes Approved. 3. City Council Goals. Bryant Slimp updated BSC on the status of the City Council goals and wanted to invite everyone to attend the City Council workshop that would be on March 29, 2004 at 5:30 in the City Council chambers. City Council will be going over goals for all of the boards and commissions goals. a.) Retention of Old Stock Housing. Bryant Slimp stated that a workshop on Old Stock Housing (OSH)was held on March 2, 2004 and that the workshop participants discussed potential areas of relief for owners of OSH. The workshop with significant input from Brian Hoogendam started developing a preliminary draft on old stock housing definitions incorporating elements of age, size (footprint) and other demographics. The BSC will continue to discuss OSH and Bryant Slimp stated that BSC would be holding at least one more workshop before the BSC can address City Council. The BSC has been talking to Mike Farley to address and clarify this goal. Bryant Slimp stated that City staff would let everyone the date and details for the next OSH workshop meeting. b.) Review of Building Codes and their Uniformity with the International Codes. Dennis Mack has been reviewing all of the Building Codes and making sure that all of the codes have been examined and are in line with the International Codes. Dennis Mack passed out a handout on all the codes that are to adopted. He is working with councilman Mike Woods and making some refinements to complete this City Council goal. c.) Review of Building Materials (e.g. foundations, framing and rot resistant materials). The BSC held a workshop on foundations on February 10, 2004. Bryant Slimp stated that the workshop committee has been working with Dennis Mack and Jim Dougherty on a draft of a new foundation ordinance. The BSC goal is to strengthen the codes and the procedure requirements regarding foundations. The committee is continuing to study the necessary elements that make a quality soils reports and to study useful foundation construction checklists. Bryant Slimp stated that another workshop will be scheduled. City staff will get with the commission on the next workshop date. 3800 University Boulevard • West University Place, Texas 77005-2899 • 713.668.4441 • www.westu.org Building and Standards emission Minutes • March 4th,2004 Page 2of 4 Matters Relating to the Building Standard Commission Recommendations and Status 4. Report. a.) Update on the Fence Ordinance returned from City Council. City Council returned the fence ordinance to the BSC but Mike Farley indicated that maybe Council should look at masonry fences, and that the ZPC will also get involved especially in the area of set back issues. Bryant Slimp indicated that a workshop would be set up in the future to discuss the fence ordinance. b.) Administrative guideline on the use of double 2x4's as framing studs. Dennis Mack generated a formal interpretation dated March 4, 2004, effective January 14, 2004. Interpretation, Decision or Action Requested: Two 2x4's can be nailed together as an alternate to using a 3x4 or a 2x6 as required by Table RR602.3 (5) Minimum Stud Spacing. c.) Status and distribution of copies of the complaint on structural engineering at 3840 Ruskin (Rosa Kym's home) with the state licensing board. Dennis Mack filed a formal complaint with the state board on February 9, 2004 and stated that he has not heard from the State regarding this case. He stated that this complaint investigation will take a while. d.) Update on the status of repairs at 4029 Case. Dennis Mack stated that Daniel Paripovich did finally here from the owner on of this house February 5, 2004. The owner indicated that he would be complete demolition of this house by March 31, 2004. 5. Foundations. Bryant Slimp updated BSC on the work of the foundation workshop that was on February 10, 2004. He indicated that Jim Dougherty, the City Attorney, along with the workshop committee made a change to the Appendix A, Standard Code Schedule. He asked BSC to refer to the handouts: ❑ City of West University Place Residential Engineering Requirements ❑ Recommended Practice For Geotechnical Explorations and Reports ❑ Quality Control Checklists For Foundation Inspection Of Residential And Other Low- Rise Buildings ❑ Development Of Design And Remedial Measures For Lightly-Loaded Structures Founded On Expansive Soils With Trees In Mind ❑ State Of Practice Of Geotechnical Engineering For Design Of Custom Homes In The Houston Area Between 1990 And 2001 (Foundation Performance Association Meeting On June 20th,2001 Bryant Slimp stated that West University Place needs a better quality soils reports, foundation inspection reports, and. He stated that another workshop would need to be scheduled in March in order to read and look over all of the materials and data. No motion made. 6. Old Stock Housing. Mike Farley talked with BSC and stated that his objective for Old Stock Housing (OSH) is to develop a City Policy that promotes, protects, enhances and perpetuates Old Stock Houses within the City of West University Place. Over the years, West University Place has established an image within the area that is depicted by tree-lined streets, bungalow style houses on small to medium lots and a high quality of life. He stated that he would like to propose regulations that consider: 1) the continuance of Old Stock Housing that represents historical elements of this image, 2) Fosters civic pride in the look of the past, 3) protects and enhances West University Place's attractiveness as a place to live, and 4) maintains and improves property values. Mike Farley stated that we should continue to encourage the old pier and beam, cottage appearance, bungalow style of homes. We should also consider the demographics as well as the architectural stability of the style of houses. Mike Farley continued to add that West University Place is loosing the charm of what made West University, West University. Bryant Slimp said that BSC would continue to study and define Old Stock Housing. He thanked Mike Farley for his insight and stated that with Mike's comments that the OSH issue is coming into focus. Bryant discussed the three criteria that the OSH workshop had generated. •Building and Standards emission Minutes March 4th,2004 Page 3of 4 Old Stock Housing Defined: The committee came up with several criteria regarding how a house is defined as "old stock". The following table outlines these and the rationale behind why these figures were chosen. Area Value/Criteria Reasoning Appraised Value of Less than$80,000 Improvements that have lower appraised improvement (not land) value are typically older homes that have — per HCAD of the not been improved property Year Built—Per HCAD Less than 1960 Age can define the style and condition of the house Footprint of the House Cannot be greater than 2 If a house has had extensive remodeling X then it cannot be considered old stock Brian Hoogendam stated that we should give more leeway in granting variances, for example on the set back issues, and to offer some types of tax incentives.Dennis Mack stated that he would get with the City Attorney to discuss if there was any leeway on any state mandated codes. David Flame will contact Michael Seagert with the Harris County Appraisal District(HCAD)about freezing the appraisals on improvements if the intent is the preservation of older homes. He will also ask HCAD about information on the Homestead Exemptions.Ron Wicker,the Public Works Director, stated that he obtained all of his information from the Internet and the information packet on Local Incentives for Historical Preservation Volume 17,No. 7 Supplement by Constance E. Beaumont. The material presented had a lot of historical significance. It also had a lot of information on the economical development of historical preservation along with tax incentives and what other communities and local government agencies are doing. Bryant S limp asked the BSC to review the definitions in the Local Incentives for Historical Preservation,under the Davis Municipal Code, Chapter 40 Zoning, 40.23.030 Definitions. Bryant Slimp stated that there would be another Old Stock Housing workshop and staff would check the conference room schedules, set a date and inform the BSC of a workshop. No motion made. 7. Roofing Materials. Dennis Mack stated that the wood shingles should be listed as a Class A at a minimum due to the fire and safety issues. Dennis Mack stated that the Standard Code Schedule should be amended. Dennis Mack will read over the roof classifications and provide BSC with a report. Bryant Slimp stated that BSC will look over the handout from the International Code Schedule on roofing materials and that this would be placed back on next month's agenda. No motion made. 8. Sign Ordinances. Dennis Mack stated that Jim Dougherty drafted the information on the proposed amendments to address the new state laws affecting signs. The first one incorporates the state law on removal of signs and sets 13-month and 25-month deadlines for removal. ❑ Sec.3.211.Removal of certain signs. The second one sets up a broad administrative procedure to handle claims that a state or federal law preempts the Code of Ordinances. It is similar to the existing Section 8-112 of the Zoning Ordinance. It could also be used by someone claiming that the new state law on political signs preempts Chapter 3. Someone claiming that ADA requires the City to make an accommodation also uses it. ❑ Sec.1.301.Purposes. Dennis Mack stated that basically if a state law or federal law said, yes that a person or persons can place signs in certain areas and our current ordinances states, no that they can not place signs in Building and Standards emission Minutes March 4th,2004 Page 4of 4 certain areas then these people can go to the Chief Building Official or the City Manager and these officials can allow the placement of signs. He also stated that state law has unlimited numbers of signs placed on a property, where as West University City Ordinances limit the number to only three signs. State law has unregulated content and West University has content regulated. Darryl Friday felt that there needed to be more discussion on this and asked if Jim Dougherty could speak to BSC on this issue so that the BSC could understand more on the State law and its requirements. Bryant Slimp stated that this item would be put on next month's agenda, and that the BSC would invite Jim Dougherty to address the BSC.No motion made. 9. First Floor Elevations verses Survey Benchmarks. Dennis Mack stated that the benchmarks had been set in several locations in West University Place. They are vertical and horizontal markers. The surveyors would be able to mark off of the markers and it will help in the surveying. J. Denis Powers showed BSC a colored coded flood map indicating the elevations of areas in West University, and thus flood related areas. He stated that if a person had reported a flood problem to FEMA then it showed up on the map. He continued to state that the official FEMA maps would be distributed on Monday,March 8,2004. [Adjournment.] Brian Hoogendam motioned first to adjourn. Dr. Peter Benjamin seconds the motion to adjourn. AYES: Bryant Slimp, David Flame, John Ayres, Dr. Peter Benjamin, J. Denis Powers and Brian Hoogendam. NOES: None. ABSTAIN: Motion passed. Meeting adjourned at 7:45 p.m. PASSED THIS DAY OF , 2004. Bryant Slimp, Chairman ATTEST: Ms.Annette R.Arriaga Development Services Secretary • 0 City of West University A Neighborhood City 4 Recycled Paper Building & Standards Commission Poed 3826 Amherst Street, Public Works Conference Room Workshop Committee Meeting Minutes 1' March 11th, 2004 MEMBERS PRESENT: Bryant Slimp, John Ayres, Brian Hoogendam (arrived late at 6:20p.m.), Muddy McDaniel and Kevin McMahon. MEMBERS ABSENT: David Flame, Dr. Peter Benjamin, J. Denny Powers and Darryl Friday. COUNCIL LIASION: (None) STAFF PRESENT: Annette Arriaga, Dennis Mack and Jim Dougherty. GUESTS: Les Albin and Robert Riguelmy. [Call to Order.] With members present Bryant Slimp called the meeting to order at 6:05 p.m. 1.) Foundations. Bryant Slimp recommended that the committee look at the handouts that had been given previously. He mentioned that the handouts are articles that contain a wealth of information and include several studies that had been done on soils testing, etc. These handouts included: ❑ City of West University Place Residential Engineering Requirements, ❑ Recommended Practice For Geotechnical Explorations and Reports, ❑ Quality Control Checklists For Foundation Inspection Of Residential And Other Low-Rise Buildings, ❑ Development Of Design And Remedial Measures For Lightly-Loaded Structures Founded On Expansive Soils With Trees In Mind, and ❑ State Of Practice Of Geotechnical Engineering For Design Of Custom Homes In The Houston Area Between 1990 And 2001 (Foundation Performance Association Meeting On June 20th, 2001). Bryant Slimp asked for the workshop committee to review the draft of Appendix A of the Standard Code Schedule. He wanted Jim Dougherty to review this with the committee so that Jim can help in the draft of the foundation requirements. The latest draft of the changes are as followed: International Building Code, 200 Ed., International Code Council, Inc., 3. All foundation and structural framing for new buildings and foundation ropairs with a gross floor area of 4-54 400sq. ft. or more must meet the following criteria: shall be designed by a registered professional engineer("RPE") and work shall be: a. They must be constructed in accordance with illustrated in complete plans and specifications prepared, signed and sealed by the RPE a licensed professional engineer ("LPE"). The plans and specifications must be prepared specifically for the site of the work, and they must meet criteria as to scope, content and form specified by the building official. b. The plans and specifications for each foundation must be based on a written soils report from a recognized and reputable firm or agency meeting criteria as to authorship, scope, content and form specified by the building official. The building official may adopt criteria published by the Structural 3800 University Boulevard • West University Place, Texas 77005-2899 • 713.668.4441 • www.westu.org • Building and Standards*mission Work Shop Minutes March 11th,2004 Page 2 of 3 Committee of the Foundation Performance Association, Houston, Texas. - - , i �. c. Foundations must be one of the following types: (i) pier and beam, (ii) voided slab, or (iii) slab on grade with at least 48 inches of compacted select fill beneath it(Exception: If the soils report indicates a plasticity index less than .O 20, and if the report specifically recommends a smaller thickness of select fill, the smaller thickness is allowed, but there may never be less than 24 48 inches of compacted select fill beneath a slab on grade). The BSC may issue a special exception for another type of foundation, but only upon a showing of engineering data and opinion to demonstrate that the other type will be as stable, strong and enduring as the specified types. d. Each foundation and all structural framing must be must be professionally observed inspected and must be certified by an RPE LPE, construction, before work proceeds further. Observations must: (i) be performed either by the certifying LPE or by a person under the direct LPE's supervision and control whose professional qualifications are approved by the LPE, (ii) include actual measurements of piers, fill, compaction, reinforcement, forms, materials, dimensions, structural elements, stressing, tendons attachments, etc. before the work is covered or concrete is placed, and (iii) be documented in a form and manner approved by the building official. Certifications must: (1) refer to and be based upon the professional observations required by this section, (2) state that the work complies with the approved plans and specifications (with any field modifications approved by both the LPE and the building official) and complies with the sound engineering practices, (3) comply with guidelines as to form and content as may be specified by the building official, and (4) be signed and sealed by an LPE. 4. All concrete piers, footings and foundations must be cured for at least 72 hours before any significant load is placed on them. 5. All walls and ceiling within a R-1, R-2, R-3 and R-4 type occupancy shall be sheathed with Type X gypsum board at least 5/8-inch (15.9 mm) thick. Exception: Where this code(IBC) requires otherwise for moisture protection. ❑ Jim Dougherty and Dennis Mack will provide more documentation on the field modifications. ❑ Add two more categories 1. Certifications 2. Observations ❑ Jim Dougherty and Dennis Mack will refer to the sample QC checklists and come up with an appropriate document. Bryant Slimp asked the committee if someone would like to volunteer to make up a checklist using and combining all of the materials in the QC checklists and making sure that they address all the issues for soils testing and quality control. Kevin McMahon stated that he would come up with a checklist. 2.) Old Stock Housing. Brian Hoogendam asked the committee again if the intent was to preserve the value. Does the City wants to generate more revenue? Does it mean that the big houses mean more money? Where do we want to take this? Is there anything else that we as a committee that we have over looked? 1. Windows-Not that much flexibility. 2. Additions for remodeling-Will have to meet the current codes 3. Old homes can't be moved from one location to another. Building and Standards Omission Work Shop Minutes • March 11th,2004 Page 3 of 3 (Zoning issues keep you from moving a house to another location.) Dennis Mack added that he is trying to generate a map defining the age of the homes in West University Place by section. On the map he will add the dates of each subdivision. The map would start from the year 1960 with homes from less than 2 thousand square feet. Brian Hoogendam stated that he would like to talk to City Council on a one-on-one basis to find out there view on Old Stock Housing and what direction they would like to go in. Do they want to tear down older homes or to remodel and improve? [Adjournment.] Bryant Slimp motioned first to adjourn. Meeting adjourned at 8:00 p.m. PASSED THIS DAY OF , 2004. Bryant Slimp, Chairman ATTEST: Ms. Annette R. Arriaga Development Services Secretary