HomeMy WebLinkAbout10022008 BSC Minutes
{
Building & Standards Commission
Located in the Bill Watson Conference Room,
3800 University Blvd,
West University Place, Texas 77005
Meeting Minutes
October 2, 2008
MEMBERS PRESENT: Bryant Slimp, J. Denis Powers, Dave Miller, Muddy McDaniel,
Frank Griffin and David Flame
MEMBERS ABSENT: Dr. Peter Benjamin, Brian Hoogendam, and Gerry Spedale
STAFF PRESENT: Building Official John R. Brown, City Planner Debbie
Scarcella, Permit Technician Josie M. Orosco, Permit
Technician Kathi Sutton, James L. Dougherty, Urban Forester
Craig Koehl
GUESTS PRESENT: Les Albins
[Call to Order] Bryant Slimp called the meeting to order at 6:01 p.m.
1. Notices, Rules, Etc. Bryant Slimp welcomed BSC members, visitors and staff members to the
• meeting. There were introductions of BSC members, staff and visitors. Bryant Slimp stated Dave
Miller, Muddy McDaniel, and Frank Griffin would be the alternate voting members for the
meeting.
2. Meeting Minutes. J. Denis Powers made a motion to approve the September 4, 2008 minutes.
Frank Griffin seconded the motion. AYES: Bryant Slimp, J. Denis Powers, Dave Miller, Muddy
McDaniel and Frank Griffin. NOES: None. ABSTAIN: None. Meeting minutes passed.
3. Agenda Item #3 Excavations and Underground Structures. Bryant Slimp stated that he,
Debbie Scarcella and Steve Brown met and discussed the Joint Preliminary Report that is
intended to be sent to Council. Debbie Scarcella mentioned that it has already been forwarded to
Michael Ross. The contents of the Joint Preliminary Report were briefly discussed. Debbie
Scarcella provided clarification to the Commission that the Report is not a recommendation, but
is intended to be a reference guide of items to be considered by Council regarding Excavations
and Underground Structures.
4. Agenda Item #4 Urban Forest. Bryant Slimp directed attention to a letter provided by Frank
Griffin. Frank Griffin summarized the letter and stated that it was an alternate approach to
increasing the city's canopy. The Commission discussed the aspects of Frank Griffin's letter.
5. Basements and Underground Structures. Bryant Slimp asked for Steve Brown from the
Zoning Commission to come forward for discussion. Steve Brown stated that he wanted to take a
• moment to introduce Agenda Item #5 regarding subterranean structures. He stated that Debbie
Scarcella brought to the Zoning Commission's attention that plans have been submitted to the
Development Services Department with underground structures. Steve Cavanaugh wanted to
Building and Standards Commission Meeting Minutes
Dctober 02, 2008
compose a joint summary to present to Council about this issue from both Boards and get
direction from Council on the direction in which they would like the Boards to proceed. J. Denis
Powers brought up that issue of elevators, bomb shelters and wine cellars are also up for
discussion. Steve Brown stated that it is all still open for discussion and that he wanted to get a
feel for how the BSC would like to proceed. Steve Brown stated that the ZPC have discussed the
issue at three meetings and that he feels like they are equally divided as to whether to prohibit
underground structures, or whether to allow underground structures and regulate them. James
Dougherty provided direction to the Commission and opened discussion for the various options
to be considered; prohibit, allow but regulate, and all without regulation. Dave Miller discussed
alternative options available to residents whom would like to have elevators, or safe rooms.
Bryant Slimp raised the question of whether or not the subterranean structure is habitable, or not
and restricting the use of the space. Debbie Scarcella stated that if they chose to allow but
regulate, then we could propose to limit the use to storage, elevators, wine cellars, and not allow
habitable space. Bryant called for a straw vote with three choices; complete ban, allow with
restrictions, or allow broadly. Dave Miller's straw vote was completely ban. Bryant Slimp stated
he would currently choose to completely ban. A show of hands was taken for allow with
restrictions with 3 members, and 3 members choosing to ban, and Brian Hoogendam stated that
he would allow them to use the entire footprint of the house unrestricted. Frank Griffin asked
whether the concern was the setback area, or the basement filling with water. Dave Miller
reminded the Commission that an 8' basement on a house with a 5' setback would encroach on
the neighbor's house if there were a failure due to the angle of repose. Dave Miller also stated
that we might have people who want to have a garage in the basement. Bryant Slimp stated that
no matter where you live within the city that your basement would be below the floodplain and
• that homeowners would have to contend with water and mold issues. Brian Hoogendam stated
that it is the property owner's choice to do what they want on their property. Dave Miller stated
that it should be their (the Commission's) duty to protect residents who don't have experience in
building issues. Frank Griffin agreed that they should protect someone from buying a faulty
house. Steve Brown stated that the BSC discussion is very similar to the ZPC discussion and that
he encourages us to keep the matter under consideration a work towards something that could be
brought to Council for their consideration.
Bryant Slimp asks for a motion to authorize him to work with Steve Brown on a preliminary
report to address to Council on how they would like to proceed with the matter. J. Denis Powers
made motion. Frank Griffin seconded. Steve Brown would like to make sure that city staff is
included, Bryant agreed. AYES: J. Denis Powers, Muddy McDaniel, Bryant Slimp, Dave
Miller, Brian Hoogendam, Gerry Spedale, and Frank Griffin. NOES: None. ABSTAIN: Dr.
Peter Benjamin.
Dave Miller wants the Commission to get a copy of the letter before it is given to Council. James
Dougherty stated that the letter will only contain ideas and will not be geared towards persuasion
in either direction of ban or to allow but regulate. Steve Brown agreed and added that they would
ask the Council for a workshop session to bring the issue into their consciousness, and then ask
theirs which way they want to go. Bryant Slimp stated that Debbie Scarcella would email a draft
out to everybody. Dave Miller asked if they had comments should they be forwarded to Debbie
Scarcella? James Dougherty stated to be careful with back and forth comment, that the Chairman
should decide the content of the letter. Steve Brown suggested that any comments should be
forwarded now, and not after the letter to make sure that the person's opinions and concerns are
covered.
Page 2 of 3
Building and Standards Commission Meeting Minutes
October 02, 2008
forwarded now, and not after the letter to make sure that the person's opinions and concerns are
covered.
Motion to table the Urban Forestry amendment made by Dave Miller. J. Denis Powers seconded.
AYES: Dave Miller, Bryant Slimp, Muddy McDaniel, J. Denis Powers, Brian Hoogendam,
Gerry Spedale, Dr. Peter Benjamin, and Frank Griffin. NOES: None. ABSTAIN: None.
Motion Passed.
[Adjournment]
Dr. Peter Benjamin made a motion to adjourn. Gerry Spedale seconded the motion. AYES:
Bryant Slimp, J. Denis Powers, Dave Miller, Frank Griffin, Muddy McDaniel, Gerry Spedale,
Dr. Peter Benjamin and Brian Hoogendam. NOES: None. ABSTAIN: None. Meeting adjourned
at 8:30 p.m.
PASSED THIS DAY OF 2008
Bryant Slimp, Chai a
ATTEST:
Ms. Kathi M. Sutt , Permit echnician
Page 3 of 3